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Do Pro Choicers Believe That Abortion Is Okay Any Minute Before Childbirth?

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The author of this post does not support making all abortion illegal. While it would take an extreme circumstance for him to personally support the termination of a pregnancy in which he would be the father, he can't support a ban on abortion.

Where's The Middle Ground?

There seems to be no shortage of extremism when it comes to the topic of abortion. In this little article we will look at extremism on the part of many pro choice individuals.

It's Not A Choice, It's A Baby

An old friend of mine, recently posted a picture on her Facebook timeline the other day of a pregnant woman's bare belly. If the photo was genuine, that is, not altered by Photoshop or some other photo editing software, you could actually see the impression of baby feet protruding from the inside. The caption was something to the effect of, “It's not a choice. It's a baby.”

My Body, My Choice

A relative of hers, who has given birth, commented something to the effect of, “No, it's a choice. My body, my choice.

Now, I don't know if that photo was the real deal or not, but either way, it's a rather striking image that reflects a genuine reality. The woman in the photo looked as if she was about to burst. She was very close to giving birth. The size of the footsies impressions were probably as big as, or bigger than, many babies.

At What Point Is A Fetus A Baby?

It's difficult to imagine the circumstance where that pregnancy could be terminated, and I would feel like a fetus was aborted. I would definitely feel a baby was aborted, not a fetus. If the mother died, the baby had to be developed enough to be viable outside of the womb. In my non professional opinion, the baby would probably not have even needed to be in an incubator.

I realize the argument for late term abortion is to save the life or health of the mother, but how are pregnancies allowed to go on to the point where it's impossible to use the F word; fetus?

If It's Going To Happen Then Surely, ASAP Has To Better

If the would-be mother's life would be put in jeopardy, then it's crucial to abort as soon as possible, not only for the sake of the would-be mother, but the would-be baby, as well.

I realize that terminology (would-be baby) has the potential to push a lot of buttons, dependent only on if a lot of people ever read this. That's because a large percentage of people believe that at the moment of conception, it's a baby. However, the point remains. If an abortion is going to take place to save, or potentially save the life (or health) of the woman, then surely we all should be able to agree that it should be done at the earliest possible moment.

When Is It Too Late?

A lot of pro choicers are so rabid in their desire to protect women's reproductive rights, they don't put one lick of thought into the concept of when it's too late to abort. They instinctively use the life-of-the-mother card, almost the way so many people have a handicapped parking permit they truly do not need, and morally should not have.

But My Doctor Signed Off On It When She Got Me A Parking Pass

I'm sure a lot of women (and even their men) make themselves feel better by getting their doctor to okay a late term abortion based on saving the woman's health, when the truth is, there was actually very little risk, and the couple basically just got cold feet, or some circumstance sprang up that made a child birth in that due date time range, wholly inconvenient – much the same way people get their doctors to sign off on handicapped parking privileges, just for the convenience of having a closer parking space, even though they don't truly need it.

If it's morally wrong to take someone's parking space who truly has the need to park close, how much more morally wrong is it to abort a potentially viable fetus/baby for the sake of convenience? The comparison isn't even in the same galaxy, let alone, ball park.

Pro Choice Extremist Fighting Words

Even more difficult to ponder, are the extremists who say that until the mass of tissue, the parasite, leaves the woman's body, there is no moral compunction to refrain from the woman's right to make her own reproductive decisions. How do you even engage such a person in conversation on the topic?

Ron Paul Can Never Forget

It reminds me of the part in Ron Paul's book, Revolution, where he speaks of being in the operating room, early in his medical career where a late term abortion took place. The infant was viable and making noise, while the nurse were putting her, basically in the medical waste bin. Everybody was talking like nothing special, out of the ordinary was happening as a tiny human being was trying to gasp for air. To everyone in the room but him, it seemed like, ho hum, just another day at the office. Dr. Paul wrote that he can never & will never forget that.

Meet Dr. Kermit "Freddy Krueger" Gosnell

I hate to say this, but I fear it's the truth. I believe the story, last year, of Dr. Kermit Gosnell, who was found guilty of killing three infants he delivered in late term abortions, stemming from the fact that he stabbed them with scissors after the infants made it out of the womb alive, is not that uncommon, at all.1)

What Difference Does It Make?

When you realize that type of action is the technique used in late term abortions, except that it's usually done while the baby is still in the womb, you have to wonder, to borrow a phrase from Hillary Clinton, what difference does it make? Why is it murder only if the “fetus” makes it inches away, into the outside world, where it magically becomes a “baby,” in a matter of minutes?

Dr. Gosnell specialized in these late term abortions. He was charged with the murder of four babies, but found guilty of only three. Who knows how many babies who made it out of the womb that he murdered through his illustrious career?

Where's The Pro Choice Outrage?

If there were pro choice organizations who spoke out against Gosnell's atrocities, I sure didn't read or hear about them. Why would they be silent? Do they think he was doing a good thing? I keep thinking that there must be some area of common ground between the two sides of this topic. Not from those who are on the extremes, but I'm virtually certain there are people who are not extremists among both pro choicers and pro lifers.

Is There Any Common Ground? Pro Choicers Missed An Opportunity

I do think there are more pro choicers willing to find common ground than pro lifers, but I'm pretty sure there is a percentage of pro life people who want to allow exceptions for instances of incest, rape or possibly to prevent the baby from experiencing horrendous suffering and a terribly painful life and death in infancy, etc.

It would have been great for some pro choice groups to really come out strongly against Gosnell. It could have been a first step toward individuals and groups from both sides of the issue working together to reduce the number of abortions.

The pro life groups say they don't believe in using abortion as birth control (even though that flies in the face of the reason Planned Parenthood was founded), yet they did not take the opportunity to show what can happen when people do exactly that. Dr. Gosnell was also charged with killing one of his patients. (He got manslaughter.) It was a perfect opportunity to talk about alternatives and prevention to abortion, including various types of birth control, as well as absolute abstinence, or partial abstinence,) where partners satisfy each other, short of sexual intercourse.)

No doubt, some of the particulars of such of message would not be pleasant to many, or possibly most people in the pro life camp, but if pro choice individuals and groups sincerely started doing what they could do to prevent abortions, the pro life camp would be forced to validate those efforts at some level, or face public scorn for hypocrisy.

Chose To Remain Silent

Instead, though, the pro choice folks, by and large, stayed silent as the information about Dr. Gosnell's house of horrors went viral on the Internet. The media did not do a total black out of the Gosnell story, but they didn't give it nearly the attention it deserved, but thanks to the Web, the word did get out.

The lack of sufficient media coverage was not so such much because the media is liberal. The media is clearly pro status quo, protecting the world the elites have created for us. Abortion is status quo. The powers that be, simply love it.

Elite Psychopaths Love Abortion For The Sake Of Abortion

One of the goals of the elite cabal, that is largely in charge of the world, is a drastic population reduction. They also are anti family, and pro death and gruesomeness; so abortion serves their purpose extremely well.

If you do not want to see all abortion banned for any number of reasons, you should still not be afraid to speak up for abortion prevention as well as to speak out against late term abortion. Just because there are a significant percentage of extremists in the pro choice crowd, you do not have to let them speak for you, (or allow them to think they speak for you.)

Time To Reconsider Strategy & Motivation?

If you have been an extremist, on the pro choice side, on this issue, yourself, it's a good time to reconsider your stance. I know I did. I used to feel that giving any ground to the folks who would ban abortion – including people who would like to put women in prison for abortions early in the first trimester – is simply unacceptable, because if you give them an inch, they'll take the world.

Now, I allow myself to go with my beliefs, feelings and understanding. I believe, in so doing, I will discover abortion prohibitionists, who will show a willingness to work with me and others who share my perspective, to help prevent abortions from being needed in the first place, even if people choose not to practice total abstinence.

It my hope that pro choicers who are relating to what I'm saying here will have conversations with other pro choicers and discuss these concepts. Ask when is it too late to have an abortion. If the person says, never, ask them how something can be moral one moment, and then become murder, merely minutes later.

We need to rethink the extremism on both ends, and move more towards the middle, in an effort to prevent completely needless abortions from ever happening in the first place.2) The fact is, almost all abortions can be prevented. That should be the goal. The two sides can argue about the remaining one percent that isn't avoidable til the cows come home.3)

Addendum: The Profit Motive & The Origins Of Planned Parenthood

Originally, I ended this piece without expressing the following ideas and information. It would have been vastly incomplete, had I not included it:

In order to overcome much of the extremism on the pro choice side of this topic, those of us who don't think an outright ban on abortion is the answer, need to be having conversations with people in our own camp. Two key issues that deserve to be discussed are how Planned Parenthood got started as well as the abortion for profit industry.

Actually, as far as I'm concerned, a wider conversation needs to be ongoing among us all, regarding not just the profit motive in abortive medical procedures, but in health care in general. When people are making money offering a service, there are going to be powerful forces to keep the source of their income stream from dwindling.

In the overall medical industry, that translates to the creation of a medical system that keeps people chronically sick. In the abortion industry, it is manifested in fomenting a system that allows for and entices more and more abortions.

There is no more motive to prevent abortion than there is to prevent cancer or cure cancer. From these industries, the exact dollar amount of motivation is zilch. Why would people who make a living, often a very tidy living, do anything to decrease the demand for their services?

That is why absolutely every word that comes out of the mouths of people in these industries should be viewed in the most skeptical of manners. It's time to quit being so naive.

As far as the origins of Planned Parenthood, I invite, urge and even beg you to an Internet search for, Margaret Sanger + Eugenics. Eugenics was a concept that Hitler picked up from America. Hitler was, no doubt, influenced by her, and in many ways, a kindred spirit to her. He shared her love of eugenics.

It's all about culling out so-called undesirable elements of a population, by killing them off and preventing them from having children. As you might imagine, eugenicists are primarily white and the alleged undesirables are primarily people of color.

Of the many quotes you can easily find of Ms Sanger, if she were alive today she would be publicly walking back a tremendous number of extremely racist points of view. I have never read anything from Planned Parenthood that has been disseminated to distance themselves from the blatant racism of their founder. It is an incredibly deep stain on that organization that should not be swept under the rug.

When Planned Parenthood was first formed, it went under the name, American Birth Control League, in 1938. The name was changed to Planned Parenthood Federation of America in 1942. While not everything she ever said, wrote or thought was without merit, she is on record with an agenda to “exterminate” undesirable races.

I will conclude this post with a few of her statements:4)

The purpose in promoting birth control was “to create a race of thoroughbreds,” she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921

“The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:

”…human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning… human beings who never should have been born.” Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

“We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,” she said, “if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

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2) It does not escape me that a large percentage of pro lifers say that all abortions are needless, but they aren't even being truthful with themselves. They drop that pretense when they or their partners experience a tubal & other ectopic pregnancies.
3) And even then, the goal should be to get those done, whenever possible, in the first trimester.

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